A Ukrainian flag stands in the corner of a room as Britain's Defence Secretary John Healey (C) sits with France's Director General of International Relations and Strategy of the Ministry of Armed Forces, Alice Rufo (L), Germany's Armaments and Innovation Secretary Jens Plotner (2L), Italy's Defence Minister Guido Crosetto (2R), and Poland's Director of International Security Policy Marcin Kazmierski, during a meeting of the E5 Group of Five nations, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, and the United Kingdom, at the Royal Artillery Barracks in south east London on September 10, 2025. (Photo by Chris J Ratcliffe / AFP)